This thread is perhaps more suited for the appeals thread but I'd like it to both include orange regulars (if they choose) and be visible to everyone. I am also sort of posting on behalf of my friend so it is important to me that he is able to see the thread. I do this because, as a member of the community for around four and a half years (admittedly not the most popular member of the community) it concerns me that my good friend has been threatened with both a permanent gag and ban. Yesterday, Karate Farmer and I were just enjoying our regular orange session and, to our delight, found quite a few people tryharding. After a while of messing around, we started taunting players after killing them, we did this to pretty much everyone. Quite quickly Mei started slaying Karate after taunts and then subsequently kicked him when he continued. This is the first of the issues we encountered. No where in the rules does it say taunting is not allowed and can it really be considered "harassment" if its just indiscriminate and silly? Alongside this, Karate started trolling some players in the chat, something we've been trying our best to do for the past two years or so. If you read the chat, it's pretty innocent (albeit aids) memes. This is his entire chat history for yesterday. Now apparently, this was worth (in DrunkPug's opinion) a permanent gag. Karate then subsequently contacted other admins through dstock and steam chat and negotiated it down to a week. In my opinion, a week's gag is still ridiculous. Now, whether the ban was justified or not, it gets a bit murkier deeper in. Karate chatted with -M-m-, the only admin who didn't just respond with "we are looking into it internally" (and also a really nice guy btw.) through steam chat about the ban. -M-m- said he had been told the ban was for calling players "fucks" and "shits". Now, if this were true, of course it would constitute harassment, but you can see for yourselves, he wasn't doing that in the slightest. Now much as I have long had a sort of meme-beef with DrunkPug, I have no issue with him and I wish him well as an admin, but if you review his chat logs, you see him making fun of people's spelling. In this case, the spelling was intentional, and a meme, but it's still a bit rich to claim taunting is harassment etc. but this kind of stuff isn't. Also I have one last point about awful communication among the GM admins. -M-m- had been told Karate had amassed 4 bans so far, but he has only two. I find it concerning that the potential permanent ban/gag is being discussed by admins who aren't really sure of what the situation is. (Once again, not that I'm blaming -M-m- in any way, I really like the guy.) Finally, although I can't look that far back in dstock, Helljack claimed he would look at Karate's chat logs, but, in my opinion, the week's gag shows that either no one has reviewed them, or the admin team is far too sensitive. Just to sort of prop this up, -M-m- himself wasn't too concerned by any of the chat logs and he looked far past the incident that got Karate gagged. Thanks for your considerations, I hope we can either clarify the rules or come to some form of agreement.