i'll leave the whole "remove snipers from orange" part to rest after this because over the time i have learned to deal with it but i don't think orange would die because of it -edit, didn't see this. then doesn't this pretty much reveal the answer to Helljack's question?
+1 Can we stop talking about orange, we are not discussing it, separate issue. But the quick play issue is a valid one to consider... hmm..... sure there's a way around that :p
Don't tell Eskimo that (read my previous post again)! I disagree that the issues are seperate - well, ok, technically they are seperate, but they are similiar; if Spies get removed, then Snipers too, if Spies stay, then Snipers too. Why one, but not the other?
I disagree with removing spy from Degroot Keep, they are in no way overpowered. They only have their knife to deal damage with and are outranged by medic, sniper, and the demo swords. Trickstabs are easily avoided if you recognize them and react accordingly.
I've put a poll up just to get a general impression from everyone. This is not a decisive poll, just to get the overview from members.
Not being of the technical know how, but anyway, is it possible to remove the watch so it levels the playing field?
TBH, both of them have their downsides. Snipers in general are simply like pigeons. Slow moving and oblivious to their surroundings. Spies on degroot have such limited use.
Free, I made you rage quit Degroot Keep by playing a Spy after we had a discussion about how cheap they were on Medieval Mode. You told me if I scored three face-stabs on you in a game, you would admit they were cheap. I got two and you quit.
I agree that spies are annoying. Degroot Keep is a map dedicated to either players taking place in a battle of wits where they both juke at each other and try to force a missed attack so they can run in or take a jab at the enemy and hit him, or just plain fun where you get four demoknights on each team and just continuously ram into the enemy team in a massive hilarious Scottish fuck-fest. Spies running around spamming left click and picking up kills is actually the reason I leave the server most of the time. I can't be assed to make such a huge effort to have fun because somebody decides to go spy, mash Space bar and M1 and rape the team.
Yes you did make me "rage quit" from dagreootkeep but that's not the reason im voting no. Now stop being a butthurt faggot and deal with it. edit: <3